Why is metalcore so bad

We were doing what we had to do in terms of jobs to get by, actively protesting and resisting to the now-former-clown-shoe regime, and working on music. A few months later, in the middle of the summer, we were understandably still--but way, way, way more--pissed off about a lot of the same shit that had unimaginably gotten worse in specific terms of blatant brutality and even murder of innocent civilians by police and encouragement of systemic racist values by government and law enforcement officials.

With ANTI , we knew what we wanted to say and how we wanted to sound while saying it. People who dislike it for legitimate reasons, Alamar already provided quite a few good examples. It's either too simplistic or just the same shit we've heard before. Note that most of these people will also not flat out shit all over complete genres and be more reasonable about it. And lastly, people who are mostly indifferent about it or just flat out don't enjoy it for any other reason. Sometimes a genre or style of music that you'd usually like just doesn't click with you, it happens.

That's basically it as far as I can tell, not all metalheads are nice and reasonable, there are also some elitist pricks out there. But they're definitely a vocal minority, all the tales of super-nice metalheads you've heard are largely true, and the ones who are assholes and twats on the internet probably don't have the guts to actually behave that way in real life anyway.

One of the most famous nu metal bands used to be Linkin Park back in the day. While their songs sound good, try to actually listen to the lyrics.

I shit you not, those guys are so emo it makes me want to cut myself. Debates within subgrenres can be fairly commonplace, but most of the time they can be attributed to the fervor of the fans involved. Basically there has always been either fighting between heavy metal as a whole and society or infighting between metal genres themselves.

Before the thrash vs. A lot of metal fans are enthusiasts and become super loyal to certain styles and bands. However, this doesnt mean that they are all asshats. As anon noted, there is a minority of metal fans who are just trolling and think everything that they don't listen to sucks, while most fans are pretty open-minded or will at least have a discussion with you about why they don't like certain bands or genres.

In the case of the "power metal is not metal enough" thinking, most of these types of ideas are perpetuated by younger fans who become fans of the more newly evolved heavier which is a relative term metal genres. As you stated, power metal has very close roots to NWoBHM, with its theatrical focus, higher-pitched clean vocals, and lyrical themes of magic, fantasy, etc. In many cases - not just within music - sometimes the newer crowd will hold disdain for the older originals and, since power metal has decreased in popularity since the early s, its become more of a niche thing which is always easier to poke fun at.

EDIT: Then again I think just about all people are annoying. Everyone is annoying me. You are annoying me. Screw you guys.

I'm going home. But for real though, the people who are way into that type of music really irritate me. They tend to be the "scene" kids in high school and never grow out of it. If you want to spot a metalcore fan. Bring Me the Horizon. If you're a Metalcore vocalist and you have a cap on, you're asking for it to fall off and be picked up by some underaged teenager, so that they could put it in their closet shrine of you.

Oh yeah. I think it's pretty infantile to hate a genre and make vague generalizations, anyway. People hate it because it's trendy to hate it, I wager. Besides, it's an easy target. It exists between worlds and is similar enough to metal to make a comparison but different enough to excommunicate. Posts: From: USA. Most people hate it for a few good reasons. With more hardcore punk influence than heavy metal influence, most metalcore can be classified as a sub-genre of Hardcore punk, not a sub-genre of metal.

There are some metalcore bands that draw more influence from heavy metal than they do from hardcore punk, but there aren't many. Killswitch Engage , Trivium , and Lamb of God, on the other hand, have more metal leanings than punk leanings. As mentioned above, most metalcore bands draw much influence from hardcore punk, including the vocals.

Most metalcore singers scream their lyrics in a very loud, punk-like, eardrum-popping manner, whereas heavy metal singers do not. The screaming is admittedly a property of hardcore punk, not of metal. Some people may say that it is very narrow-minded to despise metalcore for not being like other metal genres, but they should understand that metal heads hate metalcore for its posing as heavy metal while actually being more related to hardcore punk.

I should add, however, that those who enjoy speed metal, thrash metal, black metal, and death metal and hate all things related to punk are hypocrites. It is a true fact that if it were not for punk, heavy metal would have evolved only as far as a Judas Priest-like and Motorhead-like sound. Speed metal brought about by the "New Wave of British Heavy Metal" is the product of classic heavy metal supplemented by the fast tempos and attitude of punk rock; thrash metal is the product of speed metal merged with the anger and aggression of hardcore punk; and death metal and black metal are the products of an extreme take on thrash metal.

Punk has contributed to the world of metal and should be respected for doing so. However, metalcore is taking the balanced relationship of heavy metal and punk in a direction that favors the punk side of the relationship.

Whereas the aforementioned genres of metal are the results of a healthy balance of metal and aspects key word here: ASPECTS of punk, metalcore leans more towards hardcore punk than heavy metal, thanks to its extensive use of hardcore punk vocals.

True, one might say that with metalcore, heavy metal is evolving, but with the aggression of thrash metal and fundamentals of hardcore punk, is metalcore, then, not an evolution of hardcore punk and not heavy metal? Therefore, metalcore can truly be classified as an evolved version of hardcore punk and not heavy metal. I hope this helps you understand the truth about metalcore and gives you a more well-grounded argument in your opposition to metalcore.

But this is because he already is what he wills. Written by Axe Argonian on I agree with your analysis of metalcore and pretty much the reasons some people hate it, too.

But what stands out there is that you call them good reasons. I'm not really sure if metalcore "poses as" heavy metal, either. I couldn't speak for all of the bands especially since I don't even know the style well , but I can imagine they're mostly quite aware of their sources of inspiration. In general, few artists seem interested in posing as representatives of any particular style, it tends to be the fans and critics who implement those labels.

That said, I can see why people wouldn't enjoy metalcore. I don't really like it myself. I just think that the reasons for singling it out and "hating on it" are mostly ridicilous. Getting worked up and wallowing in your insignifigant negative feelings towards a style of music or any other form of art or entertainment usually just wastes your energy and nobody else cares.

Certainly not the artists. Windrider: I'm not sure if you've actually ever listened to Emo, but you've got your categorization backwards there. Emo core is a derivation of hardcore punk, not the other way around. Most people here have completely wrong ideas about Emo anyway, and use it as a substitute for "whiny mainstream alternative rock" and those funny looking teens with bad hygiene.

Check out Sunny Day Real Estate instead. Funeral Diner are ace, too. There's plenty of nice music in the core-styles though not quite so in the metalcore corner. Luneth Account deleted. I can take some Metalcore, Avenged Sevenfold is a band I used to really love a lot and I also enjoy Killswitch Engage with a few non metal friends every now and again while chilling out.

I know absolutely nothing about Deathcore. Metalcore is obviously aimed at a younger generation of metallers hence the bands images and sounds. Posts: From: Serbia. Metal core is all into taking money There are few exceptions Build your roofs of a dead wood.. Build your dreams of a dead thoughts".

Posts: From: Canada. Troy Killjoy perfunctionist Posts: From: Canada. What proof do you have of that? Because metalcore is melodic and primarily marketed to teenagers? Look at power metal, death metal replace melodic with brutal , etc. Almost every genre has its share of bands who have a vested interest in trying to make money although they'd be better off writing hip-hop singles , but for the most part, metal is a non-profit form of art come to think of it, similar to almost every other art form.

Both are within the metal spectrum, bands of both genres sell their material in order to make money most of which is used to produce more material , and both genre's primary markets are teenagers and young adults. Don't get me wrong, I rarely listen to any -core music, but the unjust hate it gets is just plain idiocy. PS - not calling you or anyone here in particular an idiot, just voicing my opinion.

Written by Troy Killjoy on I've said "There are few exceptions "! Like I said everything that is primary made to make money is not the kind of quality i'm usually looking for I agree with you till the some point ,but I must say that -core things somehow lack the "soul of metal" although it probably have the "heart of metal". Personally I've been exposed to metalcore because some of my friends listen to it but I've just fond that its not "it". I have also came to conclusion that such music easily appeal tho younger audience because in that age people are usually revolted and always in "rebellion mode " And at the end yes everything revolve around money,yet -core stuff is aimed to make money in first place ,while metal is just metal,you play your type of music on away you like it and if the rest of world like it you get money if not you play for yourself Btw -core stuff is also sometimes good stuff,and sometimes there pop out some bands that are listenable but its just not my kind of shit I hope you understand what i mean It's unfortunate you have such a biased understanding of metal and its several sub-genres.

Hopefully you're able to open your mind in the future and understand that -core music isn't "false" metal by any stretch of the imagination. The fact that it "all sounds the same" is because you simply don't like the style. Again, good luck with perhaps broadening your understanding of not only metal, but pop culture. I never said false music or I am thinking about metalcore as such music I listen to metal 2.